exposes government wrongdoing, the tactic of the government is to try to and demonize them as a traitor and risk their careers and their lives and their liberty because what they were seen being done in secret inside the united states government is so alarming and so pernicious that they simply want one thing, that is for the american people at least to learn about what this massive spying apparatus is and what the capabilities are so that we could have an open, honest debate about whether that's the kind of country we want to live in and if people decide, yes, they do want the government knowing everything about them, intervening in all of their communication, monitoring them, keeping dossiers on them, so be it but at least we should have it openly and democratically. unfortunately, since the government virtually hides everything with the threat of prosecution, the only way to learn about it is through these courageous whistle-blowers who deserve our praise and gratitude and not imprisonment. >> should we expect more revelations from you? >> you should. >> okay. glenn greenwald, thanks very much.